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What is this poem of Emily Dickinson trying to point at, Andrew?http://www.edickinson.org/editions/1/image_sets/69400I read the manuscript alongside the text:Forever – is composed of Nows –‘Tis not a different time –Except for Infiniteness –And Latitude of Home –From this – experienced Here –Remove the Dates – to These –Let Months dissolve in further Months –And Years – exhale in Years –Without Debate – or Pause –Or Celebrated Days –No different Our Years would beFrom Anno Dominies –- Emily DickinsonIt seems very similar to some of the things Dogen or J. Krishnamurti say regarding the nature of Time, or is my mind tricking me?
everybody understands the first bit"Forever – is composed of Nows –‘Tis not a different time –Except for Infiniteness –"what they do not understand which is basically true enlightenment is the next bit"And Latitude of Home –"and actually neither dogen nor j. krishnamurti understood that last bit until near the end of their lives which is sorta sad to waste one's life that way :o(
What does that last bit mean? Can you explain it to me, Andrew? Please!
lol, no cheating :o)(
Quotes taken from this interesting article: http://www.academia.edu/2313517/Metaphor_making_meaning_Dickinsons_conceptual_universe|Is it about how the imaginative (i.e., something ideal, but nonetheless real; something possible, but not necessarily to become actual) cannot be separated from the totality?"If we are to understand how a poet like Emily Dickinson structures her experience of the world, we need to look at the way she structures her metaphors of that world."I think that specific verse "And Latitude of Home –" is about how the poet, in this case Dickinson, structures her metaphors of the world; the imaginative cannot be separated from the totality of the moment? Is it because J. Krishnamurti or Dogen did not emphasize the uniqueness of each individuals' imaginative structuring and the richness of meaning they imbue onto the world? They would try to reduce it to a Oneness and give less value to it?"An Objectivist view of reality sees metaphor as incidental to the propositional basis of truth. Recent work in cognitive science, however,has shown, to the contrary, that we organize our knowledge according to prototypes,and that we assign membership to categories, not on the basis of inherent similarity in concepts or objects, but according to how tightly or loosely they conform to the prototypes. Metaphorical thinking, according to this view, is an imaginative mechanism that, together with bodily experience, is “central to how we construct categories to make sense of experience” (Lakoff xii). In this paper I present a reading of Dickinson’s poetry that shows how such metaphorical structure creates what I call 'Dickinson's conceptual universe'. Emily Dickinson lived during a time and in a place which both experienced radical upheavals in beliefs. Puritan New England, as both Allen Tate and R. P. Blackmur have noted in making this point, was breaking up around her, despite the final dying gasp of one more Calvinist revival. The times were changing: the early part of the century saw the rise of what T. H. Huxley was to call “Victorian Agnosticism” (Lightman), and the rise of evolutionary theories during the same period culminated in the publication of Darwin’s Origin of Species in 1859, when Dickinson was 29 years old. The challenges presented to traditional, orthodox belief were enormous. And it is in these contexts—of time and place—that, in Blackmur’s terminology, the “poetic relations” of Dickinson’swords exist. How she creates her conceptual universe and what its nature is can only be found in examining “what is said in the saying,” to quote Heidegger."
this is where you are better to spend time in natural scenery or at night looking at the stars or wandering over/through a moonlit landscape to let the infinite soak in and remedy you to itself :o)(and youwillfindthatthepoemscomeandthewordscome:o)(
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What do you think about the meaning of what you have said now, Andrew, and this quote? Is it rubbish or good work?Do you imagine the universe is agitated? Go into the desert at night and took out at the stars. This practice should answer the question. The superior person settles her mind as the universe settles the stars in the sky. By connecting her mind with the subtle origin, she calms it. Once calmed, it naturally expands, and ultimately her mind becomes as vast and immeasurable as the night sky.Hua Hu Ching, verse 5
Thanks, I appreciate your answer!
long reply to preston with some links
What do you think of Mary Oliver's poetry btw, an3drew? I don't really like her poetry that much...
I watched an interview with her and coleman banks, she was way ahead of coleman banks who is some sort of maudlin moron, but she said that she felt her poetry didn't cut it, lacked intensity and was sorta off target !it amazes me the way these second rate writers get hagiographized by the media and public !she's just like ablunt knife, there's something there but maybe her sex/reproductive drive is too strong !?coleman banks is a sugar syrup tar baby ! :o()alice munroe, the recent noble prize winner is the real deal !